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Sid Cole 0:00
The copyright of this recording is rested in the actt history project. Leslie Norman, film director, film editor, associate producer, and producer, interviewer Sid Cole recorded on the 22nd of January 1990.The Elstree Studios side one I suppose going well knows it's great to see you at his studio. Both had a lot of experience totally starting right from the beginning you were born in London whereabouts
Leslie Norman 0:49
Oh news near the studios there
that was when
Oh, that's extraordinary. You're younger than I am.
I don't think they were and then he would watch your family connected with the move is at all.
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Brother that's the word on the right side is that the brother who ran
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vibrators afterwards was his first name
jack jack Yeah. But it was actually me. So that interested you listed in in getting into movies yourself
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manually
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because
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advertisers and agents
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ideal
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company but may not
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recommend
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that generally.
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Are you in a bar tree waiting for a time
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the power tree
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Bennett milk what you did
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there was that was that the
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well that would come back to me like it was number
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21
to give you some idea of what pictures were about
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when they tried the right friends to get out
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on the drum
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usually
refers to basically could get the thing on in the big events like the Darby on the
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the barn shape I used to
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bake to buy us some time in nevermind inspire
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them
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to drive
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right
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back on it God's
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word people
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like
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much.
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I like to work
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and
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teach and get
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the job
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done.
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weather
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codes and those job.
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chemicals
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are banned. But what
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made Rachel's
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persuaded me that I'd like one. So join
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me.
Leslie Norman 4:55
You were working in the drying room and the reparatory and then you went to you're saying you went
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To forest
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very early was that sound on disk that was
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good boys
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my uncle
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Benjamin
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was that variable area or
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variable and something
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came later without
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and found
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around
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some other vitamins but what made invented
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came over to England
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when America
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was a radio
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buyers
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that may
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may not wonderful festival
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train left and
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right when
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I went
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the beverage
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department
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there's
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disturbingly
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quiet time What did you do
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to gain spots at the stations?
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that no one's remember
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trying to take
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the book on random hold him
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for a ride down
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jump out of the trunk
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that's
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just a comic film.
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that is my
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agent thinks
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I was manager and the best match with five women
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a week
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enriched and
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validated
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I remember one
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time I decided that my
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my
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mission was to be making films
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Richard
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What year was that? I was
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2728 around about
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the age now we can check them out
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by miners favourite show
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we made there
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was a
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speech
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and
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speech and the other one they might have was
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that you didn't time
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which I only mentioned because I got it mixed up
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all right. Sweet.
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Page.
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But anyway
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Bye bye.
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Soundtrack
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negative
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and Emma
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have profound and then we can move it like
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we had
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three cameras
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around the house
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found that
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one
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in the front on the back
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how you did it you
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remember
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payments via
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PayPal
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like this
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the one
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on one
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matchups
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on the ends
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on the table.
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Chairman
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want to recommend
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also is waiting
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down
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and so on
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Coco bike
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modulation
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with the sound
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of modulations
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made by trial and error on the record gap
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at the most
Leslie Norman 12:29
while you were talking about the cutting, and the difficulties of cutting film that are deforest
with the sound on the same film as a picture and unfortunately different the sound being at different intervals on different cameras. But you managed to you managed to cope with that. And you were saying that you had to find out editors had to find out how to actually cut on the modulation. Because we found that
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you put capital into without noticing the sound
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always
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kept in the candidate lazy. Yeah.
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That worked on made accounts. And it was
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always on the joy
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of it.
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Painting group.
The first ones were just painted with Indian ink.
And even then they would make a noise sometimes.
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How long we would deforest before you went into the next character, the IP that follows pendimethalin eventually became pretty sound
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they went when
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they met this page on the next round.
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Now I believe by
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now
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made a page called dark red rose. corrected myself
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made the mainland about one
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minute
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about
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it
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thoughts in which was the negative
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bounce back
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to really dry
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but what were you doing? Did you You didn't work on dark red roses
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there's one one thing which I think is of interest less.
There were no track readers when you were cutting by cutting sound was there?
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Yes. You have to do it all by hand.
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Remember, my mom was Yes, yes. I remember one day Henry came in
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and said the Americans meant in a machine which can be
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extended scrolling
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down this
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page in about a minute probably
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mean in the
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days they went to
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bat for me Of course, we use
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the data FIFO
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When did you first use a movie
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with
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the moon Did you come to VIP Did you know you worked on some Elena grinned films is that before you came to VIPs or wherever they shot,
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Rashad, let me
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bolters outside even square.
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That was funny.
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Because they trained in us. made by us when
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we were very welcoming. Yes. Coffee was
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lunch was
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the
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buyer for
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lunch.
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Was this an agreement house? Yeah.
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My daughter Juliet Williams.
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And these were sound films. These are sound talk is
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catching up in the room with that.
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I'll come out with a medical lamp underneath
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we unapproved means in legs.
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You didn't have a movie over there.
We're still doing by the whole thing by the by
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the what sound system were you using? It was using sound system used in VIP.
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by Amazon
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and a
separate film, separate film on sound from vision note was still on the same note separate.
That made life much easier candidate
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number one.
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Best practice.
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Yeah, so how many pictures did you cut for Elena? Glen. So two, one was called knowing me. And the other one's called me that.
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I remain calibration
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about
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and the other two and a couple of twins.
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Flame up and get
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the Dane course
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to actually play in the film. You
know, it's something twins do
anyway, because Mr. Blum was a great best seller in those days. He was
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beaten square
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for a while.
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One day and said
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I need
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to play
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bedroom.
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Bedroom Bromley salary.
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So did you then after that you went to VIP was it wasn't
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it wasn't
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like
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VIP.
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I came down to see
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I came down and last ambivalent job and my job is greyed out but the problem is
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me
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Yes, I know because I met you while you were there when I joined there as an auditor, but who took the time to talk to you was it Stapleton who in a few years because he he had a reputation for being very tough about an idea what did you get as your first salary at the IP? Seven pound a week? seven pounds a week? very highly paid? Yeah. Who else was that was bad he already
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makes
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generally by him
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Yeah.
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this is
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I can't remember what her first name was.
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Named Jill remember? Because she led me down by Berg to get married
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when I got a note of some filters that you did at
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VIP
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you did quite a lot Didn't you get
this man like these
smarter summers who was a bit of a crazy
to remember any particular incident about
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one
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interesting thing about
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otter farmers he got when he was working
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were they went and trenches out on the backlog
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and they turned up on those
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nights it wasn't there
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and they eventually found it
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falling down but remodel trenches
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are not
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not
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made on the mouth.
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going down or up it
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can go up and down at the same time
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to get
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used to that
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it's now
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a random now.
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the leader and the band it's very much
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based
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from home leaves, and then the final results
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it's symmetric
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bite
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old and important is
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finding God adores
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because
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we went through those
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scary March
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then that
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was
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wicked thing to do. But
you never found out who did it.
Not interested big musical success was
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made up
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as amended to
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add a little man that comedian
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is coming in
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fan
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after he got out
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luckily on the
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trial trial run
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a lot of trial runs into
was directed by the way by multibank sec picture
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director directed by
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the printer lay
eggs here the printer line I thought as
a printer line you
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know
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no lucky girl like Jean Jean Jarrah won't build a new Wakefield.
Oh, yes.
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He was amazing.
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If you went from had money
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you had the money that you might like, yeah.
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Wonderful. Well, am I
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if I mentioned some names on the list, I got a VIP pictures. If I mentioned the titles of some of the VIP pictures, you can't
say interrupting. So if you've got any brings anything to mind for you. What I've got is lucky girl.
face the music.
I spy.
tune back to TV.
And film I remember I think I must. This is where I was at roundabout when I came into the studios into the catacombs. Red waggon
which was in big picture in my garage. I listen to this.
Tell me about Paul Stein.
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was German gone to America? Very, very well.
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Because I think they will have been on the way
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to the bone over a little while.
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was very well known
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Jewish comic in Germany. And of course,
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the judge who called out
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and then came up
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with a comic comic art.
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Remember
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not to it'll come back to you. It'll come back to you. Yes, you want to pause for a moment.
In those VIP days, you know, as I said, I round about this time, I think I joined when you were cutting a waggon on a technical thing, if I remember rightly. Right, we had clappers at the beginning of synchronisation. But there was no system yet devised for marking the film and the and the sound with equivalent numbers, key numbers.
So, as I remember, what we had to do was to mine through
China pencil, not synchronisation points, right. And then the difficulty came if you wanted if you'd cut out three frames. You had an image sure you'd written on it. exactly where that came from, otherwise you absolutely cannot avoid. Yeah, that's right.
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a play make
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some phone
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which
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on the
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face
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to stop trying to think
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very noisy as I remember we
made almost as if it was very intimate dialogue It was very difficult to hear it above the noise of the machine itself
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part of his wife kind of his wife You are going to talk about yeah
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remember bottom as well because I maples are
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MBA members now they've
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been blame the map and
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maybe a mouse I mean how lives are used and because we be picked up and carried on or on the main road on the middle on
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that same side because in those days and the money in the mail
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at least on the ground and the possible wear hat I remember
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those jobs
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over the major
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so I've got
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something else
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a big topic
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and when we put an ad on Facebook
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that was a that's why it's harder which one
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job
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what other these films are old curiosity shop is I have no idea. Tell me about Thomas bentall he was a very renowned director in his day he was very very good director
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transponders
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could go down in terms of frames
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down a door
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closes
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you probably five
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hours away
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who didn't
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anyone new man me anyways
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says he did several decades for his didn t to be
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he might have made a lot more work
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because then you did the work with Richard tava films quite a bit
some time that's one of those mister no no I'm not here to say
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this.
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But tell me about Tableau he was quite approachable
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by MSI when he was on the
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stage
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rivers smiles
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he walked with Richard Bellman
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and Payment
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and finding your own routes
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around the gantry
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by Alma put no row
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got on very well.
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let's pop
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and
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polish out
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showing them
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emphasised
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digitalglobe paradox that one side didn't
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know one to me is a long shot which one
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the rice rice paper
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there was a limit route for you spying on myself
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and found that gay men are much
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reviled. We will use
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as the man he would play in Germany wasn't paralysed
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by arguments between one
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film on which you were playback
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Yes, it was quite new at that time.
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So then
then there's a film it's interesting because it's the director's name I never heard are called over the garden wall.
That you were directed by someone called john demery.
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Never heard of him again.
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don't remember much about
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me was that that was that was karma. That wasn't that was it?
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that was about the last one you did there? I think.
Because that was 1935. And then you went to Warner Brothers. Yes. How did you come to get to one of
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my gauges
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encountered in VIP and moved out and began meditating more.
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and it depended on the features
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come in
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be willing to
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come and take some
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money
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roast and
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bake on Monday mission to learn bows and
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arrows.
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Was that on contract? Yes.
Leslie Norman 38:25
Can I go back since you mentioned money going back to something you'd wrote an article for the solute technician a
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year or so ago about a sort of cutting room striker VIP
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or something? Could you
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repeat that
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story
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being changed
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our job
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and the job that was
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betting
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a week
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and a half by rise
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and waited an awful long
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moment
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can lead to
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increase in salary.
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Everyone
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so yeah, but
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that's probably not magic.
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went to mill and mill as you've done nothing about
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we
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had fun for me. But
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I would say
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enjoy
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Joe goes
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out in the polls
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have been
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abused
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by the gentleman
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entrusted
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to his secretary with a low point. Mimi, Joe.
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going on? sale
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at least
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until
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Monday
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to notes
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in the afternoon.
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So that's it for
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now.
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JOHN,
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john, Neil,
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Simon.
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that we want, it's all about
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job
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chords in this way object.
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tables.
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we can get
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by major
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the game
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and then the
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rights
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strike
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down
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in the country.
Leslie Norman 43:55
This spray which was very tough about
Stapleton was very tough about all layers. It's heavily reinforced, obviously there by Maxwell.
So reverting is the new word at Warner Brothers and you're
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Turn the machine over.
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side too
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but I know he was at Warner Brothers in terms of pictures that
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they had to war broke out on paper. I don't know.
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During that period you actually had a visit to Hollywood
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Hollywood
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so then the war broke out. And what happened to you in water? Did you get cola?
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Yes I was in a sweatshop called pharmac Walkman which we made phones back in the day when the enemy is drawn like the enemy ship that's all to get
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where did you do this?
Leslie Norman 1:10
We did this in the country that we were in this place have been lagging ballantrae it's been Scotland and we've had I've been doing this five companies and three
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companies in those days there were no fee my take
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on it milk them safely milk It was about it was recorded inside and out Welcome to Microsoft 20 minute duration attract them by another drop continue you God's moving rage build a bridge out on the moon one thing that was working on apps that was June it was in the American Embassy he was a captain he went he went out one day with some of the optimists
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payments on the balance right. Central Bank's running around around anyways, that was our most amazing story. We've gotten to know something about them. So we've got an attachment gadget which are beyond the scope, but what they can play very well.
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Right. So what was your rank?
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Very early protocols. The major on the nose.
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didn't get on? Very well. He was in charge of that payment I knew about the name that was entity films, making soundtracks
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night I was removed back to me with a boat without retaliates buy a nice finished out job for about a month Boehner our modern shape Come on rich people don't leave any wants to fail when doing an enemy call centre when you're done warfare you will never get me by much by your windows right leg this balance that three months later was made up later that's finished up as a major
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sin and started coughing
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then what happened when you came out? What year did you come out? Remember
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them without Glen's? overlanders are organisers
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you didn't go out to Australia
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and I was responsible for your coming to evening because
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I had applied and after that because I'd applied I'd go down to Ealing and have a cup that jumps
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and in my mind of the board good I knew that 3000 miles an hour most. But then I came down that day. And now came up to me and he said to me anything bad for me was obvious what I was doing. Are you doing anything when you come out? They said we want you to get over it. So we will relates to buy buys. And
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that relates to me. Because I've been supervised I went there as editor then supervising editor and I become an associate producer. And so you came in as a supervising editor. I was a first time we went with Harry. Harry what
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that was. That was the first time I met him. I had a blonde and Ramadan really taught me a democratic camp we've got a documentary camp in Canada don't have a reason they probably did very well. But afterwards
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they were gone it was it McAllister he mentioned who was the blue eye for documentary
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so they did that
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overnight they needed to cut Nicholas little thing and freedom I think that after that he became an associate producer because he got on very well with with heroin he went out to yreka stockland was the first one How did he tell you about Australia? How he got on very well
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we love But the trouble was that
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Bonnie Williams had been in charge of sound and then with these two sounds alone he was in charge of the studio
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page one page
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which was in northern
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Sudan bad vibes in my mind near the aerodrome
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couldn't get on with
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them very well. Because he was a windows that was gonna say money all out on cheese together my cup man couldn't do any good. Plus so things went awry on that sports and get he was moved by that I've done several hours in the last one on which was to lay down a wheelchair Wilson found out that advert Labour's wanted seven year old child by him as well. I don't mind watching looks like they can even mention in the back. burner gone out. I realised there was stupid people What about a bell? To the end of the challenge? in sight, not mentally I mentor school. Kids. My mom is watching these kids dancing. But when the next measures that might
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cause your direct interference.
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back legs and by the way up dead burner jackboots make a group of strangers
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talking them direction. Now of course you're directed pictures at Warner Brothers
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and co directs dangerous to live in short,
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the man you
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can direct With he disappeared
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and I know what I'm
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talking about because it's already more than I was talking to directors backpedalling a bit kept one of the last pictures I think you've cut at VIP was they drive by night? That's right directed by Arthur Woods outstanding promising very very got killed in the war. Yes. Tell me something about him Tell me something about
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how was directed by Dr. Jim Williams when he joined up some fly planes from America great loss to our industry and always remember once we find them It seems to load data directly to the machine that was one of the first things to write in we're gonna do anything people name like match it we had to do it more or less
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good notices. So here we are going forward again. Australia appealing to me something about something about a year and you're thinking about eating as a student.
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I fell in love by that really? Because I'm told to do what you were told. me wanting to know. And this we've been to a large my remember Chevrolet explained to me, let me Benton's book by Darcy nylund Chevrolet said very bad. I read them I told him I smashed him buy in language. Me, David. My de Morgan Reed Smith, Valerie van Morley very well. Suppose many in many means how to build a language. Industry. I want the story. Two weeks and the script. Bring it back to the weeks from I wrote a script on it. You're not spread, right. Let's get somebody out Neil. Ben Waves a well known writer he gave away a one to one rewrite and that's what he did by the mother salary or family
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What was his name? We were not still recording yes apartment told me something else about earring I mean that was interesting about Balkan because it was
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very true you're always expected people to bring things to him as well okay them then he would just watch the rushes. We've always liked to be interested in major casting otherwise they freak
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you out the me though. I was going on right right. Yeah the producer was like let them get on and make judgement we will learn to make money
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How are they?
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Anyway, good common here but as time went on talking
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to the crowd library is
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dropping by we're still gonna make outside. But please join me, Johnny. Johnny. Johnny sent equivalent pledge. like China battlefield. The enemies of tomorrow.
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The big film you did later, that hearing was Dunkirk? I was meaning picture but not shot from. I can't remember. Was it shot jam? Yes. I thought the studios have been sold to eating films. That was your idea to make it?
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Yeah, I remember seeing
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and a lot of
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you I think that's true, because it's been a sort of revival of interest in yours. Right? Because that was true of a film. I did with Charlie crighton called against the wind. I think it's quite a good film to sing. And that was to
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going back on. Yeah. That was when he was finished. And you want to move. That producer and the director show that all our directors have
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made their comments. And adopted, then go under direct comm I was told I was pregnant. I barely made payments on it. Where you and the money is when
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I agree the great thing about hearing was people had a chance to rise which unfortunate has now disappeared money after those 11 days what what happened after that?
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Now three is number one selling the product job cereals is that all I can remember
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while there's so many uniques I think because you did Buddha springs Didn't you in Australia the springs? Yes. And you did a picture with Charlie friend around for your money
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and boards a
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glossy Mandy to those birds with Harry what in Africa? Well no vultures fly and west of sandbar
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Africa, the most impressive
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man he
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went to South Africa to coach him. I live in New Mexico in my robe and I was taken being introduced to debate a woman that they wanted your time gives me on both cheeks said Oh yes. Thank you. We didn't know what to lose. Then we did mention employment. by phone. That can be bad.
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It's great. very satisfying. How did we get on the sandy Mackendrick who directed that?
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Money Come on I got along with everything you want to know everything? You believe that small change in the job ads. You're going to hold on the razor's edge
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good anything else about Africa this man is anxious was very successful. Very pleasant
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to work. Me the parable of being in Africa and you'd say I mean that's where we live. Am I believe that sorry. Again, I'm sorry what? We both say against was through employment, pension money long films. And so we had back on factors that matter actresses but when good ones Yeah.
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But because it did run into many difficulties if we weren't in with rank distribution, we still weren't getting the best end of the deal. And that was one of the problems.
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overlanders came out the cost 25,000 pounds.
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I remember about overlanders that went out MIT got very indignant because it went out it was put out in the western in a double bill in the American film. overlanders got all the notices her critics, but the American film was getting the major share of your take. And Nick, who could get very indignant about things at times, despite that generally quiet thing he had. I think we had a big showdown with the radicalisation about that. People were going into the cinema to see heaven and not the other one.
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was able to come on film. Yeah, yeah. I remember Yeah.
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Harry had great talent didn t Harry, what I have found is documentary training. Story, the ability
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to print is picking up on a controversial point somewhere. And they can always do that. Right, right brighter than that. I remember when we were travelling. We were writing the script. And the boat ultimately would was the surprise Mary. And Mary Ronnie gave me a short story. In turn printed, something been guided by many challenge backends written by a numerous amount of practice. And he was treated
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nicely the treatment of blacks in South Africa that when you were on there were no voters. Harriet told me a story about being invited to reception on Dancing with a girl or a woman who said some very racist things. And Harry said and eateries disengaged himself and went over to get a drink. And as the chap standing at the bar and he said to this chap, who's that racist bitch I just been dancing with and the chap said, I know I'm terribly sorry, that's my wife. That's typical hairy birds
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making common areas smoke and bleaching. Get in Jamaica and various others they won't do it again. remark politics may concern regarding bail
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was very good on those issues because I remember on overlanders he took the other Aboriginal active plane in Overland back down to Melbourne or Sydney and memory telling me that most people have never seen so he was very pleased to remind me that Australia is that there were some people in Australia before they
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came
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out actually another story story Come on.
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That's been was given a joke. And they were two women came up to me he was talking drives his trousers off and when he came back It flies right in the shed rotten milk all right that was a lovely man
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looking back well I think you've already said it I was going to ask you looking back what is the sort of highest spot of your career in low and very impressive career in films? Any particular high spot you would pick up
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appointment It was my big Jamaican at rich Charlie imagine the big waves of the Navy come along before we send it out and they will scramble aim raid MSP in your life with so much paperwork there is nothing wrong with that at all right great great.
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And notice that this is we often asked this in these interviews but looking back you wouldn't want to ever to have done anything other than what you did
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over again I think I would have tried to profit by what I was doing more than I did now by the millionaire graduate London
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a great life
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that you like Charlie make a picture there are some shipwreck fighters in the world. View Mode. And the question was when that broke out, john Silas john is the captain. All right. Number five you can have the arrow against object you came over to speak. They were released in America. And I just want a job. Back to the original MC Chamberlain. Job. Game on MC open trench proposal about God that guy projects are
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in the well Mick was good, I think in that set that kind of Well, thank you, but it wasn't as experienced as far as I was great
