Dawn Stanford

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23 May 1995
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[Transcribed from Manny Yospa’s handwritten notes, which are mostly just key words. DS]

Born Canada 11th September 1931; 1932 to England; evacuated in war. Kettering, Dartington; acting; cello; Designs costumes; Northams [?[; Charlotte Street. Clothes; Keith Prowse; Peter Cadbury; American Express; Haymarket; Mare’s Nest; Geoffrey Brian [?]; Stratford. 1958. Film Surveys; Medical teaching films; own film company to improve technologies. Unaided Delivery; married. 16mm, 35mm Ectogram; 1969, 42 staff. BMA [British Medical Association] suggested films. Aston Martin. David Brown; Archie McNab[?];

Archive films; Lister; Film library for hospitals etc., Pioneering films: Hole in heart operation; endoscopes; film surveys; atomic energy; Windscale; 1970: USA. 1984 back in England. NHS Health visiting; Geoff in Texas. Side two.



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Manny Yospa  0:03  
This is the BECTU history project. We're doing interview number 354. Dawn Stanford hope for some unknown reason, I guess it's called Stanford 23rd of may 1995. That's it. Okay. But okay.

Unknown Speaker  0:31  
Don't come up again, with your birth. Wherever you fall

Dawn Stanford  0:39  
in Canada, in a little town called Ghana and aqui, levels of September 1931.

Manny Yospa  0:49  

Unknown Speaker  0:50  
with the big crisis well underway, but you

Dawn Stanford  1:01  
we have an island. Opposite this little town. Yeah. It was not convenient for a doctor to go over that time of year. Yeah. So jam had to be brought to the main.

Manny Yospa  1:14  
So that's me. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  1:19  
Where were you? Did you have an education? Yes, I

Unknown Speaker  1:23  

Dawn Stanford  1:24  
Oh, first of all, I came over to England in 32.

Unknown Speaker  1:28  
So you were taught

Dawn Stanford  1:30  
before my first day, right. I went I heard all sorts of schooling,

Unknown Speaker  1:38  
everything from school, what we used to call in the 20s. I went to a different school. Yes. You must have when you're 567. If

Dawn Stanford  1:52  
I'm just trying to think I don't know. I think I did. I don't remember it. What's your first memory? My first

Unknown Speaker  2:02  
real memory. But when you're speaking of your education, school memory,

Dawn Stanford  2:07  
I went to a conference in Hayward state? Oh, yeah. I think it was close to Joseph's. I'm wrong about that. But I think it was yes. I also went to the fact that oh, I was they close down as soon as the war.

Unknown Speaker  2:25  
They could continue. When you were by yourself. That's right. Right.

Dawn Stanford  2:30  
And then I went to I was evacuated for a very short time, to a place

Unknown Speaker  2:42  
where do we get to the childhood of that world war of evacuate world evacuated,

Dawn Stanford  2:49  
decorated for a short time to a place called cheney's it was the Duke of Bedford

and I went to the little village school. counsellors I liked it. Oh, actually, I wanted to be somebody else's family. Yeah. And they were particularly elderly.

Unknown Speaker  3:13  
These two ways, the meetings or

Dawn Stanford  3:17  
they weren't very cold. And I had to spend the majority of my time in church. So I was in choir went to Sunday school, I sang at everybody's weddings and funerals. And today, it was a

Manny Yospa  3:37  
bit of a shock coming.

Dawn Stanford  3:39  
Because this is now Church of England. Yeah. All right. So both camps, right. So then I I was whipped out of there by Jaron and zil when they realise that this is not entirely what they want. And as a stepping gap, yeah. Grace Thornton, who was one of the members of the business was Jen. She had her parents lived in Kettering. So I went up to stay with them for a little while.

Unknown Speaker  4:12  
And I mean, it was a small while.

Unknown Speaker  4:16  
We're still on.

Dawn Stanford  4:17  
Oh, yes, definitely. And then because of the because of the bombing, catering was getting bombed. I was ripped out of there and so straight down. And so that's so that's really an I stayed there till I was 17.

Manny Yospa  4:37  
Yes, I did. Well, just because they've got all sorts of

Dawn Stanford  4:45  
ideas. I mean, farming, music, music, acting

Unknown Speaker  4:57  
and all the others.

Dawn Stanford  5:01  
Those are my favourites. I wasn't particularly scholastic

Unknown Speaker  5:06  
to agriculture loves it.

Dawn Stanford  5:07  
Yeah. Yes. I loved it. I began to you know,

Unknown Speaker  5:15  
you were too young for the women's land army.

Dawn Stanford  5:21  
This thing is, this was wartime and Dartington. People were being taken away. So every child had to do useful work. Yeah. So whether it was in the kitchen, or whether it was polishing floors are cleaning up those classrooms and what's your my choice was to go down to the farm and do that. So that's how I got into lining, liking the land. Great. And so I mean, it was really I, when I first moved to Dartington, I was pretty unhappy. And very, very homesick. And I left and I went to a rather horrible School of my own choice, which I found so horrible. I pleaded to go back to data. And it was the one time when a bill Kerry, who was a master there, and a great friend of Germans that

Unknown Speaker  6:22  
normally they did.

Unknown Speaker  6:25  
pretty strange.

Dawn Stanford  6:28  
So I then got into acting and really, yes, I used to flash when anybody looked at me, I was that. So

that was a very, from my point of view, a very, very good school. Because it

Manny Yospa  6:47  
it brought me

Dawn Stanford  6:50  
and there was all sorts of children there for various reasons. they've, they've come from Poland, gone through the awful times. Everybody was they all had some sort of problem so unique. You know what happened to you after? after I started my whole life. I was I was learning the cello. And I started when I came home, and I finished school. I worked with Ron Paul. Oh, yeah, I was doing my secret, of course is to the chairman to make to really do it in a professional way. But I still was interested in it until I came across this teacher who said a granddaughter of Louise Trenton should be a bit better than this was that I put the cello down.

Unknown Speaker  7:44  
be cruel.

Unknown Speaker  7:49  
Socially shy one

Unknown Speaker  7:52  
on one.

Unknown Speaker  7:53  
So swans. Oh, yes.

Dawn Stanford  7:58  
I decided I wanted to design costumes. Yes, I went to what's it called? Nathan's?

Unknown Speaker  8:13  
I paid

Unknown Speaker  8:14  
to go there as a sort of apprentice. Right.

Dawn Stanford  8:17  
And I was there for? I think it was probably about two and a half years. Yeah. I then went down to Charlotte Street. Yes. And learn to mass produce in the cutting field. I was just learning counting. Yeah. So I did that. Which was backbreaking to say the least and those guys

Manny Yospa  8:43  
are close cutting all film cutting.

Unknown Speaker  8:49  
My father was a tailor a master tailors about the shopper trends, right. Big electrical. It was it was very hard.

Dawn Stanford  9:08  
And you had to get there seven o'clock. You had to ask us to go to the toilet. You will be given permission. You had caught from an hour for lunch and you finished at six in the evening. And you stood all day long, sort of glorified imprisonment, that that was really so I've done what I set out to do

as much as I could there. And then I had a little bit of a holiday. Yeah.

But it's really funny. It's the only place that I've ever been to where I'd have been really rejected. Because of that I didn't speak the same way as everybody else. Because you spoke. Right. Nobody would speak which, after a while, I didn't want to hear that chitchat but it was For comic books that we've heard for, well, you know, you get used to doctor while you were saved.

Manny Yospa  10:07  

Dawn Stanford  10:11  
Oh, well then I then I got a job with keys pros. Oh, yeah. Particularly agents. Yeah. Right. And I kind of fit my way through it as always, if you have a

telephone switchboard, you can type but you don't have to type very well. But you can

see. And very soon I was running the postal division. And the telephone bit I was invited ring up for tickets or anything I would do that. And I would put the calls from the radio department and the record.

Law was over. The war was over. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I liked it. Because I was losing a lot of a lot of actors. Because they had this policy then that they could go off and have minutes notice for an audition. Yeah. Yeah. And they could, you know, do. If they were if they were so happy to do to get an acting job, they could go off and then come back again. And they'd rather sort of took my fancy.

Unknown Speaker  11:25  
Yeah. And eventually

Dawn Stanford  11:32  
Cadbury then took over Peter cat broom. I think the most awful things in the past I'll tell you.

He had the penthouse at the top of Coventry street brand. Yeah. And, I mean, I used to take in stacks of letters that were legitimate. But on two occasions, I took it around. Private man, of course, you know, how you do you split these off. And you don't even look at it. And so I hope the world and I was reading, Dr. Pisa, oh, my goodness, me being

small, and I had to go take the lift and go up and apologise. Is that all that could happen? I should have told you that it will be delivered to you not to me.

Just be a bit more careful in the future. So two days later, we repeated the hope that you've all come up with here. And when I had is that I was doing things like when somebody has a hit record. Oh, yeah. They'll have the signing holder. Yeah, whatever. Promotion and publicity, I'd like you to come and just make sure everything is okay. So that was fun.

Unknown Speaker  12:53  
Yeah, so

Dawn Stanford  12:55  
does that. Yeah, I had my own branch, which was at the American Express in Haymarket. So when I first went there, the previous person had taken two pounds, but now he has two pounds 52 back to two parents 10 shillings a week because he couldn't be bothered. No, my first day I'd done something like 200 pounds, and it's built up and built up. And they can we will say, What are you doing? What happened this last person? Because he was in he'd been pushed to somewhere else. And I enjoyed that. Because I was making, again, all sorts of people. And whether it was arranging insurance for them, or they've lost something, or they didn't back or whatever it was. It wasn't just there to take absorb that. That's what I was there for. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  13:53  
Well, that's good. And that went

Dawn Stanford  13:55  
through some code. Yes. And then I, I met Jeffrey, Brian Stanford. And that was in 1958. Tony, you're known here since? Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. And he was, of course, naturally much older than me. Yeah. He was very, very quickly. Children. Yeah. And I used to go and listen to his john soprano, and classical music and it was kind of fun. Yeah. Because he's in the war time. Yeah.

When you went away to school, when you came back, they weren't your friends.

Yeah, so I didn't have local friends. So it was very nice to have somebody who would take a bit of notice of people liking music and that sort of thing. So I sort of liked him when he drifted off. Because I actually we met him again in 58

Unknown Speaker  14:59  

Unknown Speaker  15:01  
Well, I was not much. I

Dawn Stanford  15:05  
went to join him. He had a company called film service limited. Yeah, yeah. But Montague Street. And he was making documentaries.

Unknown Speaker  15:14  
Yes. Medical to film. Yeah.

Dawn Stanford  15:20  
Because he was originally a radiologist. So he sounds selfing interest in film.

Unknown Speaker  15:28  
And for medical record, he was a medical.

Dawn Stanford  15:30  
And then he found that the equipment that he was working with, wasn't good enough. And so he was trying to improve develop plans. So that's why he left radiology and started his own film company. And then progress was saying, well, in training field training films, first of all,

Unknown Speaker  15:57  
any medical nurses,

Dawn Stanford  16:00  
for nursing, we did all the Milton sterilised equipment, and these used to be shown to, well, anybody that had a kitchen or

Unknown Speaker  16:15  
a child, they were very good foods, who knows where I came in, that was around.

Dawn Stanford  16:21  
Right? Very good films. And he made one particular film, which

Unknown Speaker  16:25  
was quite

Dawn Stanford  16:27  
famous in its own right. It was called an ad delivery, which was the birth of the baby. Yeah. And it was actually filmed in a hospital, though, that the hospital was not made to look that it was like, this was an emergency it was. And it was shown to taxi drivers and ambulance drivers and firemen. And

Unknown Speaker  16:52  
they had to contend with a woman giving birth in an aeroplane

Dawn Stanford  16:58  
was really made for in the first instance, was going into these camps in Germany with displaced persons. The things that people might, you know, this was one of the things that they probably weren't going to need to read. So that was re edited and re edited and re edited. And then it was, as he always looking, we used to make videos never show in an all male audience or an all female audience, put them together because they bolster each other.

Unknown Speaker  17:35  
You use you had no film experience for

Manny Yospa  17:42  
driving in. Did you?

Unknown Speaker  17:46  

Manny Yospa  17:49  

Dawn Stanford  17:51  
I just had to learn it. I had to learn it the way that

Unknown Speaker  17:55  
you know, it. Was it all done on 16 millimetre or 35?

Dawn Stanford  18:01  
Well, most most of it was 16. But we did do. Cover?

Unknown Speaker  18:08  
Well, we were

Dawn Stanford  18:13  
we were particularly interested at that moment, in ektachrome. Because that was just the newest, newest thing. Yeah. And so we were doing lots of trials. Before with that.

Unknown Speaker  18:27  
The company was financially afloat. So it was dicey or

Dawn Stanford  18:32  
Well, up and down. It was up and down. And you probably noticed that at one point, documentary film companies took a dive. I mean, all of a sudden, there was every Tom Dick and Harry film company for one film. Yeah. And then that finish, and that gave the documentary film world has existed and had existed a very, very bad, completely different way to keep going until 69. And that was

Unknown Speaker  19:10  
up to 40 to rule 14 hours. editing the camera, lighting,

Dawn Stanford  19:20  
everything with us. And when we had to.

Unknown Speaker  19:26  
We had other crews,

Unknown Speaker  19:29  
camera, freelance crew

Dawn Stanford  19:31  
staff that we could call at moment's notice if we needed to, because they enjoyed it.

Unknown Speaker  19:37  

Dawn Stanford  19:38  
Because it was always something quite new. I mean, we might be down a coal mine, mine one minutes or whatever, because we did do our medical

Unknown Speaker  19:49  
doctor who conceive the contract. I mean the programme. Let's do this. Let's do that.

Dawn Stanford  20:02  
Jeff, Jeffrey, yes, he is for the very longest time. But we work with I mean, we've as a BMS

Film Company, okay. Yeah. And they would come to us and say, well, you need a film or fashion search. But we've only got that put it down immediately. It was only somebody like Jeff and myself that would

Unknown Speaker  20:31  
work on the project

Dawn Stanford  20:32  
here, technically. So now, after a while, I began to take over more of that, because you'd have to know Jeff to know that once he thinks once he thought that he had perfected what he was doing, he was doing, he was on to the next thing. So that was the whole hold before. Really. Yeah. So understanding that I ended up doing, I mean, incredible films like I was the Aston Martin was opening. Oh, yeah. had had six different film companies tried to make a film called them missing, fuller like to get sorted out because they weren't satisfied. Even now, as it were, because it was so nice. He said, Oh, certainly, of course, just deliver it up to me, but I'll see what I can do. Well, I had no idea that I was going to get six miles of film to look at, because that in itself takes a long time, you'll be really careful.

Unknown Speaker  21:37  
Can you actually do it.

Dawn Stanford  21:40  
But I also felt that it was rubbish, rubbish, that I had to retrieve some of it because of there again, I was on a small budget. So budget, because it was Aston Martin and David Brown,

Unknown Speaker  21:56  
real real firms.

Dawn Stanford  21:59  
And so I did I the things that I put into it, to jazz it up a bit with aerial shots. So I like flying.

Unknown Speaker  22:07  
Ready to do something I want to do. So

Dawn Stanford  22:12  
I created a feature in a to Havilland plane, which is a very small

and because we're asked the mountains have them the factory to suppose for all the cars out. And of course, all the way around there. They're all the other car factories do. So every parking space. Could that be so we have to zoom down and African, I would leave as a member of the crew each time. So I ended up actually filming the film myself because

Unknown Speaker  22:51  
I was on the pilot.

Dawn Stanford  22:52  
Yeah. That's how I got more and more.

Unknown Speaker  22:56  
That really you were a filmmaker?

Dawn Stanford  22:58  

Unknown Speaker  23:00  
So the other

Dawn Stanford  23:01  
thing that we did, you might be interested in that we we did archive films

in as much as Archie McIndoe the famous plastic surgery, plastic surgery. So we just really felt that that must go into the archives because nobody else thought of it. So a man called Lister is still

Manny Yospa  23:33  
famous in the medical profession. All sorts of disruptive men. Well, whoever

Unknown Speaker  23:39  
Anyway, my thing though is felt empty. Remember

Unknown Speaker  23:43  
one beforehand? Yeah.

Dawn Stanford  23:48  
That was that was not painful. But this was asked to fit the BMS got almost

Unknown Speaker  23:58  
going on with it in the mid 60s when the thing cold it When did you push the stuff to the BMA? What happens all the material? You really want to know well, it will not show Yes. It's not in the cell. So

Dawn Stanford  24:14  
downstairs So no, I'm afraid it is even worse than that. Except that there are other copies of it. But all the material Yeah, I lost my house in the country in Southwick went with the house. And you know, that was a bit sad. But there was no way that either, you know, this was a five storey building, and there's no way around it.

Unknown Speaker  24:44  
Yeah, and the storage space and good storage space for that. So then what happens here?

Dawn Stanford  24:51  
Well in between all that, while we're doing films, and also all the films that were useful in the teaching field, I have my own film library. And I used to send all the films out preschool, all the nursing schools.

So all the hospitals got regularly, all the Medical Teaching work.

We did all sorts of interesting things. I mean, for instance, one of the earliest films, I remember was the tuberculosis and children. Can you believe that we have difficulty in finding children who had tuberculosis? In Britain? Yes. We really had a difficulty to go to Wales, in order to in order to shoot that. And we did the first tone heart operation down in Southampton. And I'm pretty, pretty little girl.

Manny Yospa  26:05  
I think she's about club itself, which was successful.

Dawn Stanford  26:10  
Of course, that was able to be shown to so many eligible surgeons.

Unknown Speaker  26:20  
So when they all folded, what happened to you?

Unknown Speaker  26:22  

Dawn Stanford  26:25  
we both we were at that time trying to survive. And at the same time we're trying to keep make endoscopes Yeah. All right. Oh, right. And we've been building up the equipment side of the companies. So we first of all, the film surveys them together with firms, fill surveys, equipment, limited, and then optic, limited. And we got we made endoscopes medical and industrial

Unknown Speaker  26:55  

Dawn Stanford  26:57  
improve fibre optics, yes. Even down to actually spending them ourselves. Where do you know it was going great, because you had that thing you could go down in one of these chambers? Was that terrible stuff? Oh, yeah. We did it for the atomic.

Unknown Speaker  27:17  
Atomic Energy people.

Unknown Speaker  27:22  
Always scale. Here's what

Dawn Stanford  27:27  
they were doing. They may drop something in our consumer remember once we made it 30 foot

Manny Yospa  27:35  
and scope

Dawn Stanford  27:37  
was about this great usually. And but. And I almost got to the place. What actually got what people from Wednesday have come down and accepted. Our bonds. I took her to

Unknown Speaker  27:55  
Salt Lake ventures.

Dawn Stanford  27:58  
And I said to Jeff, as these people refer to this person, the man is at the end of that endoscope.

And he's going into atomic force to stop him from getting boosted if it's a straight line. Oh, my God. He said, Oh, I have to make a telephone call. So we came up from this bumps. And Bang atlis Oh, revision window. Yes. And so it was made into a curve. And yeah, I mean, couldn't come directly. But that they, of course, as you know, very well. Windscale did have

Manny Yospa  28:46  
is for people who don't know, they just explained it was an endoscope is

Dawn Stanford  28:51  
an endoscope is a like a telescope, made of what was done many, many, many lenses all the way down. That's the original one. And it depending on the diameter of work, or what you're going to use it. You could even with a rigid frame, you could film inside somebody as long. Later on, we've made it with fibre optics, so that you could spend all the rest of it and we made them smaller and smaller and smaller, so that we could actually get an endoscope into somebodies live pumping heart and see what was wrong without too much damage. In fact, it was so small that when you put it out to your eye, you have the greatest difficulty in aligning it with watching. It was so small. I was

Manny Yospa  29:44  
really fascinated you're the people who permitted this.

Dawn Stanford  29:48  
Well, there's the original endoscope, I believe was called a negus, which nobody could see through. They all the surgeons pretend they could. They couldn't. It was just the whole procedure. And this is why Jeff's has he booked? I must do something about this. So he then wrote a small book. And it was a monograph, I think which he proved that endoscopes never could work. He got it printed season. Of course, I'm going to prove that they aren't going to be wonderful. And that's what this is a big laugh

Manny Yospa  30:31  
today about this.

Dawn Stanford  30:35  
And we use it for all sorts of things. I mean, it was used down a phone number, where they take all the bits and pieces of aircraft that crashed, and they didn't have to take them apart anywhere. You could put the endoscope in without ruining the looking. Well, yes, you didn't want to take it off, because you're really the evidence. So we had that they were in with that. A COVID chord was on the designing board. And we should have had an endoscope with each Concorde. But I think the Concorde did I think we'd already gone to America by the time that's it. So that never didn't happen. But so I was, you know, Jeffrey was always going off and do some research into something. And he was into all sorts of things. you're beginning to get interest in pollution and ozone and all these sort of things.

Unknown Speaker  31:47  
We call the ecology.

Unknown Speaker  31:51  
Well, I was

Unknown Speaker  31:53  
very interested in that.

Dawn Stanford  31:56  
And we couldn't hang on any longer. It was just me. Yeah. So it was just absolutely so complicated. It was unbelievable. And we can hang on when we shouldn't make them. So we've we're making it more

Unknown Speaker  32:10  
difficult, but you couldn't get away from these mostly not medical research curves.

Manny Yospa  32:18  
All it all closed down. Right.

Dawn Stanford  32:25  
All these all these new companies are coming up and giving us a bad name.

Unknown Speaker  32:34  
I suppose.

Dawn Stanford  32:37  
We only have about two states. Yeah. And I have a three year sorry. Always, truly went to California first.

Unknown Speaker  32:50  
Where we have the seven pistol? Yes.

Dawn Stanford  32:55  
Yes, yeah. Because I just we just arrived. Christmas of 69. Yeah. And so Jeff is torch between

Unknown Speaker  33:08  

Dawn Stanford  33:12  
and engineers, as a medical professional, who wants to get them all talking to each other, designing things that work. And the architects should know what they need to know about a hospital, how do they function there's, there's no code guessing the laundry and if you couldn't get the laundry out.

Unknown Speaker  33:35  
So food is a special sort of mediaeval inventor really

Unknown Speaker  33:40  
kind of vision of the grasshopper

Unknown Speaker  33:42  
in that sense. So

Unknown Speaker  33:47  
the American,

Dawn Stanford  33:48  
it was very good. It was it was very good, because he went from there. And he's taught at another college called Antioch, which was of a progressive,

Unknown Speaker  34:00  

Dawn Stanford  34:02  
he was able to really do it in a good way. Then he went on to Texas, where we're now into completely into ecology, if you like, but in a bigger way, in that we were now doing research into how to turn the arid zones into

into green phases. And so we had lots of big projects,

which was very interesting, because we took all the stuff that people didn't want, and it was garbage. And as he said, garbage just go and made the desert grow things. And of course, if you get trees to grow in the desert, it then is no longer a desert because the rains come as soon as you get through the trees, and then we got food and all that and everybody was very excited,

Unknown Speaker  34:57  
but he lost

Manny Yospa  34:59  
interest in it. They're not moved on and I had to carry it on. So that was it. Something else? Very strange.

Unknown Speaker  35:12  
Yeah. restless this. Yeah. Yeah. And when did that finish that period, that American period.

Manny Yospa  35:25  
I, I came, I came back.

Dawn Stanford  35:29  
I didn't know I was trying back at the time. But I came back in 8284 is when I actually arrived back.

Unknown Speaker  35:40  
And I had

Dawn Stanford  35:43  
done everything and I was really hadn't sick.

Unknown Speaker  35:47  
Because I didn't really want to go to America. were children around your kids?

Dawn Stanford  35:52  
I haven't. I haven't gotten a chance to see her. But he had three children. And they were around for some of the time. They were certainly in England, but in America, they were there on extended stays and things like that.

Unknown Speaker  36:08  
They accepted you.

Unknown Speaker  36:11  
So close.

Manny Yospa  36:13  

Dawn Stanford  36:16  
It was that was very awkward. Because I'm used to bend over backwards to make sure that they had everything on record now. And in return, what I get got was was is that you know, is that daddy's chair? Or is it your chair?

Unknown Speaker  36:34  
Yes. So I went through that.

Unknown Speaker  36:40  
What else can I say to

Dawn Stanford  36:41  
you about when I came back here? Where did I get a job? That was a national.

Unknown Speaker  36:49  
a truce.

Dawn Stanford  36:52  
I was in the house visiting two cops. Well, I wasn't actually helped the step because I didn't have the qualifications. But I did everything. And when I

Unknown Speaker  37:08  
work very, very hard. What region where were you?

Unknown Speaker  37:13  
Which is just

Manny Yospa  37:16  
so you just recently retired?

Unknown Speaker  37:19  
Us? You just left the hill. So yes,

Dawn Stanford  37:22  
I just couldn't stand it any

Unknown Speaker  37:25  
time we're gonna do news.

Dawn Stanford  37:26  
Yeah. And I really, I can honestly say that I couldn't have stayed there a minute longer. As a much I'm in favour of the health service. And I thought I'd done my best. Yeah, well, of course, you and it's being ruined. So now we're trying to live off in this awful business of skill mix. where nobody is master of their own trade anymore. And that they're what they're trying to do is to bring in people who are Clark's, and make them attend to somebody tell me Well, I must say it's, you know,

Unknown Speaker  38:05  
Virginia bottom one, so for people angry, indeed. I mean, I really don't want to talk but they're confronted with a situation where they've got the entire national health service arranged up against midwives to nurses to help structure the whole infrastructure of the health service living in the EU, all doctors are very reactionary backs, you know. They would vote Tory, so

Unknown Speaker  38:40  
the man

Unknown Speaker  38:44  
is the Comrie doctors, you know, a couple of hands.

Dawn Stanford  38:51  
First went into the house. Everybody that I worked with was definitely told me I was the only one who became a union member.

Unknown Speaker  39:01  
Yes, cosy.

Dawn Stanford  39:05  
Creepy. And everybody says

Unknown Speaker  39:10  
Why not? Nothing wrong with me.

Unknown Speaker  39:14  
They're going to find me if I need to.

Dawn Stanford  39:18  
And so gradually, as things got worse and worse. When I left I was happy to tell you that there wasn't one single person in the clinic where I worked that was now fully labour. If they do do that, and strike I'm sure that we'll all do it. Whereas when I first went there, there was no

Unknown Speaker  39:50  
Oh, oh, I think you've done marvellously but you up to now dog.

Dawn Stanford  39:59  
Yes, I'm doing This

Dawn Stanford  40:02  
is something that can turn out really good

Manny Yospa  0:04  
So that is the big combination. Yeah. Right,because I'm running now. So

we're ready to roll. So it's really what you're up to now and your glorious perspective of the future. So at the moment, you're writing a book.

Dawn Stanford  0:24  
Yes. Well, yes. Well, I'm not writing it gems, right. I am driving through the earliest memories. Things that jazz told me

trying to throw onto however badly onto a sheet of paper with his jam. Now, don't you think you should be writing about that? So?

Manny Yospa  0:53  
Yes, of course, it's mother's child. Went to Jeffrey dye. Yeah.

Dawn Stanford  1:04  
Sorry. Casey's in Texas. And I'm here. Oh,

Manny Yospa  1:08  
I'm sorry. Sorry. Forgive me, I assume. But you are a young widow.

Dawn Stanford  1:16  
And I'm not divorced. I'm just polite. I've just turned out okay. For

me something. Actually. He was a bit of a genius. Yeah.

He's very difficult to live with a genius. Yeah. It really is. And that's how we just means he's there on it. And that's it.

Unknown Speaker  1:45  
So concentrated on what they are actually doing it they got so

Manny Yospa  1:51  
what is he doing? Well, if anything?

Dawn Stanford  1:57  
I, I think, see, we used to run every year of our conference so as to protect the wildflowers, particularly in Texas, because that's where we we lived. Yeah. And to begin with, it was a very small thing. Yeah. Many people used to come. And now it's a very big thing. And it's sponsored by people. I'm sure he's, yes. research into how to how to propagate these wildfowl. Some numbers are easy, some are very difficult.

Manny Yospa  2:37  
We wouldn't really into things like a rule of therapy or anything like that. Yes. Some various flowers and the use of old alternative health things similar, yes. Becoming

Unknown Speaker  2:52  
Now obviously,

Manny Yospa  2:54  
coming racket, which is,

Unknown Speaker  2:56  
yeah. But they

Manny Yospa  2:57  
there was a little measure of mileage that we go.

Dawn Stanford  3:01  
I used to, in the States, I used to teach people how to, to bake and do, it was just not quite as simple as that. I used to mainly go out and grow their wheat, and then mill their wheat, and then make the fridge and eat it. Go make the wine in the same way. And all those sorts of things, which is very popular. It's become very popular these days. So in a way, you're right, because we didn't we had all sorts of people coming in

Manny Yospa  3:39  
to teach people we will go with politics either there or here. No golfito

Unknown Speaker  3:48  

Dawn Stanford  3:48  
campus totally unpolitical.

Unknown Speaker  3:52  

Dawn Stanford  3:53  
I had a one experience when I overstayed my original permission. I had not gotten a visa because on my Canadian Path to Spain for six months. Oh, my God, what? She said, I have to then go out of Texas interpreter to really pay which is today's date. We know each state has their own different places in Canada that they say talk. So I had to go to Wednesday. I didn't know anybody. And in the you have to go to the console there. And they greatly Yeah, they did it most time. And a tremendous they were very nice person around in a very nice conversation. She suddenly said to me, oh, there's something wrong with your application. So

Unknown Speaker  4:52  
that is

Dawn Stanford  4:54  
at that moment in flies a man unannounced and everything, and you've got to let me stay here, you've got to do this. You've got to I've got to get married. I've got to do this. And it was during the time of the Vietnam Dodgers. Yeah. And he made such a kerfuffle. By the time she actually managed to get him out of the room. He almost forgotten what she was saying. And she was so apologetic to Michelle's. So So she's here you are. Good luck. And

Manny Yospa  5:32  
that wouldn't be difficult. That was as close to you that's a McCarthyism match.

Dawn Stanford  5:37  
Yeah. But and also, you know, it could have been, yeah, I wasn't going to be very difficult. His Jeff in Texas. Yeah. I mean, we make Yeah, yeah. No, able to support myself, because I don't know where

Manny Yospa  5:55  
to go pension, by the way from the NHS.

Dawn Stanford  5:59  
I don't know, I didn't, I wasn't there long enough to go. I get paid into superannuation. And it was both. So it's just ridiculous. But I've also studied long enough to make it useful. Yeah. You have to be in. And then it can be very useful there, but not the amount of time

Unknown Speaker  6:27  
you have the gap in between.

Dawn Stanford  6:29  
Yeah. And of course, the my government pension order. It's very naughty. Because what they've done is, even though I worked full time, full time I went to America. They only take my payments, when the time that I started work when I came back.

Unknown Speaker  6:56  
The lawyers have

Dawn Stanford  6:58  
done everything. And they just say that is this government. And that's all just too bad.

Manny Yospa  7:03  
Yeah. monstrous. I think the dirty

Unknown Speaker  7:06  
trick? Yes, it is. But that's to

Unknown Speaker  7:10  
assess if you could expand a bit more on your character when you were actually filming. Can they making films?

Dawn Stanford  7:17  
Well, no, can I say I was one minute script for it the next time, I would be actually behind the camera. Not I wasn't very knowledgeable about this. Lots of things were set up like this when we do endoscope. Yeah, of course I knew about endoscopes. And I knew how to run the box of tricks you have to have. So of course, naturally, I was the one who was doing that. and sending them the lesson. Take it away to be there.

Unknown Speaker  7:55  
Because it impacted you on the actual most of your medical film, isn't it?

Dawn Stanford  8:02  
Yes. It also people couldn't get him to do that. Because they didn't have the medical background. It was wonderful because Jeff did

because of his other film activities. Well, he will. He wasn't, he was a member of this

photographic society and all this business. He wasn't very long before was quite well known.

Manny Yospa  8:33  
Whatever you want to say whatever the problem is, and clear. There's been quite a few. Either remarkable bloke.

Dawn Stanford  8:39  
Oh, yeah. They. And one of my main jobs is to make sure that if we, if we had, like, 42 people, you know, is that the film? That film took that amount of people, that I keep them all happy because Jeffrey Unfortunately, it was not. He was such a perfectionist, that he couldn't stand anybody who

Manny Yospa  9:03  
knows the union. And

Dawn Stanford  9:06  
they were all union members. Not because Jeff insisted on it. They just were and it was very funny. Even, for instance, the electrician. He did, why should he be a particular union member that was turned out to be Yeah, we had we did exhibitions in Olympia for instance. Yeah. And suddenly bill was was caught training a plug. And of course that's a no no. Absolutely no, no. All Out of Pocket brought out is pretty Oh, all back again.

Unknown Speaker  9:53  
Yeah. It's no joke

Manny Yospa  9:57  
running a couple of minutes. Tiny organisation with three staff is bad enough, but 40 odd people because there's always if you've got the law of averages, we got 40 people can look up more than 40 something's gonna go wrong with one of them every week they're gonna fall ill and go long drivers

Dawn Stanford  10:24  
to film at William Park hospital, and it was it was making it for William r moon. I think they've drunk people. Oh, yeah. And I think it was the drunk that we were

Unknown Speaker  10:40  
we were brand new I think it was no idea what

Dawn Stanford  10:44  
it was for mentioned it is no function. Yeah. And it was brilliant. Anyhow, we we had to finish the bill money. It was a success and everybody's happy. So they would not go to film because we're used to making six films. And then all of a sudden there was a get Jeffrey got off of this. This commercial to say yes. For jewess whiskey. Well, what's it What's it called? wanted transparent they wanted this. They wanted this pirated march up and down and is killed and this had to be black background.

Manny Yospa  11:36  
Because the image,

Dawn Stanford  11:38  
okay, for that background, where we're gonna shoot is how we're gonna shoot it. And I'm trying to interject, I have, we're gonna do that. We'll do it morning. And without cost. We'll we'll do it at night. Here's your black background whenever this man marching after dark lanes biotypes. So it's a good idea. So this is now we're gonna finish the lectures for this, because I mean, this was in days with a big phone. Yeah. So we even got the home of the woman at the hospital. Yeah, completely in darkness. And we've taken all their all their electricity. And well, one thing after another, we have four cameraman all lined up. In case one thing happened and another you know. First thing that happened was the mist came down. One cast ridge and then another one. Then there was no film and the other three nights in a row. We did that. On the third night we got in New Orleans. And every camera was running. It was just a series of awful things in your head. Paul never ever happened to

as we were doing this. It was these hands are coming taps you. You heard it was this. This is a mental hospital.

Unknown Speaker  13:12  
That is Scott Perry shows.

Unknown Speaker  13:19  
Stuff used cars.

Dawn Stanford  13:21  
Did you touch reactive? No. Oh, well, I suggest just forget

it. Can't be dangerous.

Manny Yospa  13:30  
Yeah, my daughter in law's a psychiatrist.

Unknown Speaker  13:37  
You for so many years. I've worked as Dr. beers. therapist. He ran the mile per day hospital. I don't know what happened to it. So by not doing those things. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That was fantastic. I worked thing for ages and ages. I'd be 30 in the morning. Yeah. You go down to stone. So wherever it was to pick up a guy who's been holding it.

Unknown Speaker  14:14  
The butcher knife, our neighbor's phone. Yeah. Your local Samaritans but I didn't know what my

Unknown Speaker  14:22  
talent was. I can I was the person who brought me in. I don't know why, but it's just very useful thing to have. I think the mantra is, we don't need to do this. We're going to do something else. And they just come like lambs. And so I was very useful.

Manny Yospa  14:43  

Unknown Speaker  14:45  
Both of you

Dawn Stanford  14:52  
would never believe this. Because I you know, like, digging in the air and all this sort of thing. We got some mongongo Nuts from the Kalahari Desert. If you have ever had the fortune to see a picture of the mongongo tree, you will know it's always a solitary tree. And there's nothing else growing around it. So we have this brilliant idea that we will get somebody totally legal to break through but nevertheless they need to

Unknown Speaker  15:23  

Dawn Stanford  15:24  
the mongongo now, I actually managed to get them to shoot and all the rest of it and we had this is of course Texas, don't forget, and we had some very lovely lexcom boys.

Unknown Speaker  15:38  
We used to help

Unknown Speaker  15:41  
with all sorts of things

Dawn Stanford  15:42  
make a standard set person along with a knife in one fell swoop one morning he taken

Unknown Speaker  15:51  
over a lot

Dawn Stanford  15:52  
last night I was never able to Germany any other mongongo nothing

Unknown Speaker  16:00  
special about them What is special about the one gunmen

Dawn Stanford  16:03  
well it's it's it's a two part fruit in that it's a nut from the outside. I mean, people will throw days to get them approved on the inside. And it's very

Unknown Speaker  16:18  
very nutritious.

Dawn Stanford  16:21  
So we saw who say yes, but it's for the for the people who live in that area. It's an essential nice resort. Why don't you always see that single tree but no saplings? Nothing?

Unknown Speaker  16:37  
Why was it well, we don't know. I don't know.

Dawn Stanford  16:42  
Because I my experiment.

Manny Yospa  16:49  
Yeah. Dear friends I love you very deeply. But I'm

Unknown Speaker  16:55  
ready to shop. Oh, yes. Yes.

Unknown Speaker  16:58  
I gotta get

Unknown Speaker  16:59  
to say you've done to your leg. He's

Manny Yospa  17:03  
very, very much love.


Born 11 Sep 1931 in Canada. Came to England in 1932. Went to a Convent school. Evacuated during WW 2. Learned the Cello. Worked as machinist. Worked in office in telephones in casting agency. After WW 2. Joined AMEX. 1958 helped with medical films. Had own film library of educational films. Loaned to schools. Filmed hole in heart operation. Company Endoscope medical film company. Filmed at Windscale Nuclear Plant. Went to USA California in 1970's. Research in ecology. Returned to UK 1984. Joined NHS. Produced a book.